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21st Sep 2016, 12:37 AM #1Novice
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Do us Aussies make a well made milling machine vice?
Similar to Kurt ? I am looking to buy a descent vice but I just watched how out of whack Kurt replicas can be .
Reworking an import 4" mill vise
Thats disgusting.
Everything proper I look at needs to be imported from the States at a huge price obviously.
All the rest here in Oz is Chinese with a turntable it seems.
Cheers
Browny
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21st Sep 2016, 07:44 AM #2Philomath in training
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The vertex Anglock vices are not too bad; the base can be removed to add a bit of rigidity.
Michael
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21st Sep 2016, 10:42 AM #3
The turntable base of my vice does a very good job of holding a shelf in my cabinet down. That shelf has not moved since. I wonder just how much use these turntables get?
Dean
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21st Sep 2016, 01:24 PM #4
I found mine quite good as a tramming ring after a light surface grind.
I recently bought a 6" Geradi modular vice clone from H&F, i am actually waiting for another so i have a matched pair for the big mill. Whilst these vices are far from cheap they are far better made and far more accurate than the Vertex angloc and i would rate it better than my Glacern as well. Being made from hardened steel they should also stand up to hard work a lot better than the Kurt clones.
I think the vertex vices have dropped in quality, the one i have had an out of square fixed jaw (vertically) and the casting quality is appalling.1915 17"x50" LeBlond heavy duty Lathe, 24" Queen city shaper, 1970's G Vernier FV.3.TO Universal Mill, 1958 Blohm HFS 6 surface grinder, 1942 Rivett 715 Lathe, 14"x40" Antrac Lathe, Startrite H225 Bandsaw, 1949 Hercus Camelback Drill press, 1947 Holbrook C10 Lathe.
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21st Sep 2016, 01:58 PM #5
Like most things we buy today , made to a price and will last until you walk out to your vehicle.
Sometimes it is better to save up and buy decent gear.
Michael
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21st Sep 2016, 04:50 PM #6Senior Member
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Dawn make milling vices in addition to their ubiquitous bench vices, I'm not sure if they make the style you are after or not.
See here: Super Precision Milling & Machining Vices
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21st Sep 2016, 09:22 PM #7Banned
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You got a mill, make yer own vice. Then we get to see the progress thread.
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22nd Sep 2016, 09:13 PM #8Novice
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Thanks for your replies guys, being new to this I didnt realize the swivel base can be removed which gives me a greater outlook.
At the moment the only vice I have is a $20 drill vice I use on my welding bench to hold stuff still, I wouldnt be using it to make a good vice which I dont reckon I'm accomplished enough yet and surely one would think it takes an accurate vise to make an accurate vice.
That Dawn vise probably just needs a cover over the screw.
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Browny
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22nd Sep 2016, 10:30 PM #9Philomath in training
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22nd Sep 2016, 11:09 PM #10
When I bought my mill vice you seemed to think it might be a bit large for my mill. While I could get away with a smaller one it has worked out ok without the turntable. With the turntable tho, way too big. Maybe if a smaller vice had been on special?
The Dawn vice looks to be pretty compact width ways, even the turntable. Hate to see that price tho.
Dean
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22nd Sep 2016, 11:24 PM #11Most Valued Member
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23rd Sep 2016, 09:42 AM #13Most Valued Member
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Different technique is all. I bolt mine down hard then use a DTI from the middle of the fixed jaw to the outside, note the variation and tap the vise around on its swivel base. Usually takes 1-3 attempts to get it spot-on.
Tramming one in using the bolts, there's always a risk it can move on both bolts (I usually just nip one up to prevent this) and anyway it isn't swivelling about a centre point.
Really dedicated people use an alignment key in the bottom of the vise so they just have to put it into the T slot, push it hard up & tighten down. That would require me to make said key, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm bone idle.
There's no 'right' way to do this, whatever works for you is good.
PDW
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23rd Sep 2016, 10:29 AM #14
Yes I can see what you mean. I am winding with the right hand, and adjusting with the hammer in the left hand within millimetres of starting. I can see that centre pivoting can make a difference if you move the table, check and adjust, but I am only looking for dial movement and don't quantify the variation so pivoting off one side makes no difference at all. I have got the vice within a couple of hundredths (mm) in much less than a full width of the jaw.
I used to move, adjust, move, adjust, but since seeing this method on YouTube I have stuck with it. It has vastly sped up the process so tramming the vice is not a chore anymore.
Usually takes 1-3 attempts to get it spot-on.
There's no 'right' way to do this, whatever works for you is good.
Really dedicated people use an alignment key in the bottom of the vise so they just have to put it into the T slot, push it hard up & tighten down. That would require me to make said key, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm bone idle.
Dean
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23rd Sep 2016, 11:46 AM #15Philomath in training
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I have a piece of chipboard with a key sized groove in it on the shelf, so sliding on and off is not an issue (the chipboard acts as a false base. Not much else it is good for...). I think I've seen a John Stevenson post somewhere with a U shaped piece. On my vices the face of the fixed jaw and the bolt down points are nearly in the same plane, so while positioning would not be an issue, tightening might be.
Michael
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