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    I was under the impression they were made in Germany.

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    I was under the impression they they were local Jordan. Maybe just a German name?

    While Ben has his saw apart he might like to have a look at the bearings and possibly enlighten us to their country of origin. Hercus used Australian made bearings in their 9 inch lathes in the late 60s and the Hercus tool and cutter grinder made in the seventies also has Australian bearings. Could be Lotze followed suit?

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    Not a bad idea, to look at the bearings for clues as to origin.

    By doing a Trove newspaper search (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home), McPherson's in Sydney seem to have been the only distributor of Lotze power hacksaws in Australia; as in, they are the only firm who advertises them. When my machine was new to me, I went to the National Library which has a few old McPherson's catalogues and looked them up. They didn't give any indication of origin. That doesn't rule in or out a foreign or local origin.

    There's a 23-page distillation of the 1955 McPherson's catalogue as a pdf at http://archives.dcemulation.org/www....talworking.pdf, with great pics of what used to be on sale (if only Hafco had stuff like that). The Lotze hacksaw is in there, but again, no indication of origin. To me though, the casting is a little crude for German machinery - its not a Deckel level of quality. More like a small foundry with basic equipment.

    There's an ad in Trove from Wagga Wagga in December 1954: "LOTZE WORK HEAD JUST the gift for him, Lotze Ball Bearing Work Head with circular saw and metal sanding disc, priced at £13/18/6 each from HARDYS HARDWARE PTY. LTD., Baylis Street, Wagga,", suggesting that Lotze, wherever and whoever he was, made sawbench spindles as well.

    There was a P.A. Lotze in Campsie NSW who in June 1948 advertised: "BOY'S wanted. 15-18 years, press-work, machining foundry, light general factory work. P. A. Lotze and Sons 476 Canterbury Road, Campsie." Sounds promising, but in June 1940 this fellow was described as a "motor garage proprietor" at that premises. That doesn't sound like a foundry, but it doesn't rule him out (or his 'sons'), either. Then there was a foundry in Alexandria with vacancies in the 1940s/50s, "apply to Mr Lotze", but the foundry was called B & S Electrical -- doesn't seem right.

    Nup, I'm stuck. It really needs an old timer who clearly recalls that far back.

    Check out the 1953 Lotze advert that I found though ...

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    I guess it's just the name that made me think it's German.
    Just had an idea - the vice screw thread: Metric or inch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadroj View Post
    Just had an idea - the vice screw thread: Metric or inch? Jordan
    Good thinking. The vise screw thread is 5/8" 11tpi BSW. Rules out a European origin. All other fasteners are BSW as well. The heads of all the bolts on mine are stamped "AJAX".

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    That points to it being an Oz made.
    Ajax BSW fasteners are used on my Douglas and Hercus machines.

    Jordan

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    Still going on my Lotze. Got the paint today. Wattly kill rust Wedgewood.

    will be painting soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadroj View Post
    That points to it being an Oz made.
    Ajax BSW fasteners are used on my Douglas and Hercus machines.

    Jordan

    I believe AJAX Fasteners was a subsidiary (correct term??) of McPhersons. You see their old bolt catalogs all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwal74 View Post
    Still going on my Lotze. Got the paint today. Wattly kill rust Wedgewood.

    will be painting soon

    Ben
    Great paint choice! It'll be nice to see the pics.

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    In one of your photos the one with the gloves in the foreground there is a round disc under the power cord.
    This part fell off my Lotze.
    It must be superfluous because the machine has not skipped a beat.
    Can you please enlighten me as to where it came from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloris View Post
    In one of your photos the one with the gloves in the foreground there is a round disc under the power cord.
    This part fell off my Lotze.
    It must be superfluous because the machine has not skipped a beat.
    Can you please enlighten me as to where it came from?

    Thank you Mark

    Hi,

    Not a 100% sure (had to check my phone photo's) but I think its a retaining plate from the vice. It'll be fun trying to remember where everything goes when putting it back together again.

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    Still going......The paint has turned out a bit lighter than i hoped but it might darken up when everything is finished.

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    G'day Guys
    Love the pictures, I'm surprised no one knows the origins of these hacksaws as I've seen them sitting in the corner of most shops I've worked in.
    I just found a Lotze hack saw hiding in the corner of a workshop I've been working in and have decided to restore it. Unfortunately the Hydraulic cylinder no longer holds the arm up and I was wondering if anyone has opened one up as this one is not very cooperative. Are they threaded or pressed on? Also the screw in the top of cylinder has been sheared of does it act some type of retainer? Any help would be appreciated.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaulder View Post
    G'day Guys
    Love the pictures, I'm surprised no one knows the origins of these hacksaws as I've seen them sitting in the corner of most shops I've worked in.
    I just found a Lotze hack saw hiding in the corner of a workshop I've been working in and have decided to restore it. Unfortunately the Hydraulic cylinder no longer holds the arm up and I was wondering if anyone has opened one up as this one is not very cooperative. Are they threaded or pressed on? Also the screw in the top of cylinder has been sheared of does it act some type of retainer? Any help would be appreciated.
    Cheers

    Hi,
    On my one I used a pipe wrench with clothe on the jaws, came off easily. I think from memory they are pressed in. Mine had no oil at all.
    Been sidetracked at work. I seem to go in spurts with it (still painting).

    Ben

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    Thank's Ben

    Mine is being quite stubborn.
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