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    If it is anything like this take it home immediately and never let it go back

    http://mechanicalcurios.com/2013/12/...haublin-120vm/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSEL74 View Post
    Local place I've been to a few time, dunno what It's called and always takes me an hour to find driving around the area. I found it by accident when a friend took me to see someones factory. Don't know the model either but it has a square boxy headstock and has been there for at least 6mths. If Ray was really interested I would make an effort to track the place down again.

    The Hardinge isn't mine either but I'd like it.
    It might be the machinery dealer who was trying to sell the 135 that came from Tasmania about 6 months ago?

    As to the Hardinge I think we would all love to have it!!


    Cheers

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    Found it! $9,845 either a Typo or has been reduced
    Schaublin lathe model 135 ( non gap bed machine) 12"swing x 27"between centres x 1 1/2"bore, 30 speeds 55-3000rpm with 6 1/4"3 jaw chuck, 8"4 jaw chuck, coolant system, work light & quick change tool post. (machine is Imperial) Price $ 8950.00 + gst

    http://www.tradeplantequipment.com.a...5-lathe/238893

    The hardinge would cost half that $5.5K??. Although the tailstock looks like it came off another machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    It might be the machinery dealer who was trying to sell the 135 that came from Tasmania about 6 months ago?
    I think that mob were on something when they came up with their prices for that Tasmanian stuff... Maybe they picked up something else they grow in Tasmania..
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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    I think that mob were on something when they came up with their prices for that Tasmanian stuff... Maybe they picked up something else they grow in Tasmania..
    I'll drink to that.....

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSEL74 View Post
    Local place I've been to a few time, dunno what It's called and always takes me an hour to find driving around the area. I found it by accident when a friend took me to see someones factory. Don't know the model either but it has a square boxy headstock and has been there for at least 6mths. If Ray was really interested I would make an effort to track the place down again.

    The Hardinge isn't mine either but I'd like it.
    I'd love to know too
    which area is the dealer located ?
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSEL74 View Post
    Found it! $9,845 either a Typo or has been reduced
    Schaublin lathe model 135 ( non gap bed machine) 12"swing x 27"between centres x 1 1/2"bore, 30 speeds 55-3000rpm with 6 1/4"3 jaw chuck, 8"4 jaw chuck, coolant system, work light & quick change tool post. (machine is Imperial) Price $ 8950.00 + gst

    http://www.tradeplantequipment.com.a...5-lathe/238893

    The hardinge would cost half that $5.5K??. Although the tailstock looks like it came off another machine.
    the hardinge you post the pictures seem to be an English version .
    let me know the dealer and i'd like to have a closer look.
    cheers
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    Cheers Mark – many thanks for your follow up on my query re the Schaublin 120VN lathe matter - good to get that feedback from you – I am a bit of a tyro when it comes to this Forum caper – I was half looking out for an email from you and then when I dialed into the forum again I picked up your response which was interesting to read – I thought that the system might be that you might receive an alert notice via email but I didn’t get one.
    It seems abit strange to me that we are discussing metalworking lathes on a Woodworkers site – not exactly Horses for Courses – still in reality I am more a woodworker these days than a metalworker - but I vacillate between the two hobbies at regular intervals – I have a good quantity of woodworking tools & machinery and get a lot of satisfaction from the activity – I am into box making and veneering – but I can’t shake my engineering roots and the idea of overhauling a lathe of this quality has a lot of appeal to me – I am still working on mate to purloin the Schaublin from him on a loan basis – he is currently mulling the prospect over – he has had the m/c for about 5 years with no activity on it – just gathering dust/grim in the middle of his shed – plus he has about 9 other lathes in addition to the Schaublln m/c – so it is not exactly in immediate demand re his needs.
    Next time that I visit him I will grab the Serial No of the m/c and also take some photos of it – I would say that it was likely made in the late 1950’s and would have originally been located in the Toolroom at my old company - Hawker de Havilland either at the Lidcombe Engine Shop Facility or at the Bankstown plant prior to its trip West in the mid 1960’s. I will also assess the condition and level of tooling equipment with it.
    On the research front I have managed to surf the web and get a copy of the German language version of the 120VN manual for it plus abit of other data etc., which makes interesting reading. It would be handy however to be able to pick up an English version of it otherwise my Swiss mate will be in for a few visits down the track for translation service.
    Thanks also for your info re your thoughts on the pricing for the m/c – interesting to read that and in line with what I might have thought re a ball park figure for it – as above not exactly sure yet re its condition – I know that it had an assortment of collets with it – any other info that you can provide would be most welcome. The fellow who owns it is looking to start up a small machine shop service in his pending retirement – so it would be good to get the Schaublin back into an operating condition – Many thanks again for your follow up on the matter and apologies re my delayed reply to your post. Thanking you and regard Bruce

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    No worries Bruce and we definitely love photos on this site. Feel free to join in any of the conversations here.

    If you do acquire the Schaublin we would encourage you to start your own thread to document its move and restoration. There are a number of very senior members from Perth on this site some of whom get excited by anything Schaublin. If you have any questions start a thread and I am sure it will create plenty of interest.

    Cheers and welcome again

    Mark

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    Very senior !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Very senior !!!
    I hope you know I was talking about experience and not age Bob

    While I have you attention Bob I am heading to Vienna next week to see my son. They live in a house that belonged to his girlfriends now deceased bachelor uncle who owned one of the biggest machinery dealerships in Austria in the 50-70s. In the house is an entire room of machinery catalogues and pamphlets. Did not get much of a chance to look at them last time but I will this time. Most are in German but anything Schaublin, Deckel, Weiler, SIP, Hauser etc may have to come on a holiday to Australia. Will let you know what I find when I get back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    ........... Most are in German but anything Schaublin, Deckel, Weiler, SIP, Hauser etc may have to come on a holiday to Australia. Will let you know what I find when I get back.

    regards

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    I'm good with pictures Mark, I look forward to your return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markgray View Post
    No worries Bruce and we definitely love photos on this site. Feel free to join in any of the conversations here.

    If you do acquire the Schaublin we would encourage you to start your own thread to document its move and restoration. There are a number of very senior members from Perth on this site some of whom get excited by anything Schaublin. If you have any questions start a thread and I am sure it will create plenty of interest.

    Cheers and welcome again

    Mark


    Thanks again Mark for the follow up and belated thanks for your welcome aboard to this Forum - it will no doubt prove to be a very useful sources of information.

    If my little project takes off I will take up your suggestion of starting a new thread on the matter - but that it somewhat contingent on my mate letting the m/c out of his sight - as mentioned he is still deliberating on that matter - time will tell no doubt.

    You seem to be cluey in the machinery stakes - so just wondering if you might or other Forum members might care to offer an opinion on the function/purpose of the two (2) off little sliding pins located in the moveable jaw part of the a little Eclipse No 235 Toolmakers vice that I picked up off the EBay site a month of so back now - it is somewhat of a vexing matter and I have queried a good number of my engineering colleagues and friends on the matter - but nothing too convincing has yet emerged re their likely purpose or function, The designer of the vice is likely a passed to the other side by this stage

    I have even recently queried the Editor of the UK Model Engineering magazine thinking that the combined wisdom there might be able to suggest something re their purpose - but no go at this stage - an interesting little issue.

    The vice ins a very nice piece/example of Pommy engineering of possibly days gone by now - I don't know what age it would be ?? - but a simply a nice little item and a pleasure to use in the shop for a variety of tasks.

    My own thought on the matter is that the pins might function as a pair of round parallel bars - extracted when the need arises to sit on the base of the vice to lift a job off the bed surface so as not to drill into it - but only my thought.

    Incidentally in the Woodworking vein - the "White" coloured piece of timber that the little vice is sitting on is a piece of WA Hardwood - here in the State we exported many thousands of cubic meters of the famous WA Jarrah hardwood - known also as Swan River Mahogany - (featuring a nice rich red colour when polished) to the UK for sleepers, road paving blocks and timber for industrial floors among other uses ( the Hawker Hangar workshops at Bankstown and the Lidcombe engine workshop thick parquetry Jarrah floors (so the parts could bounce if dropped)., in years gone by now - normally Jarrah goes at about 800 kg/m3 dry density - this timber shown in the photo is a piece of Wandoo or WA White Gum - and this timber tips the scales at about 1000kg/m3 dry density - heavy stuff - just about sinks in water at that density. Also in the Woodworking vein some retirement activity re the attached

    Thanking you again for the follow up advice and have a good trip to Europe - some reading to be done there by the look of things

    I have just had to retype this note again - as the first attempt got lost when the computer locked up while trying to upload the snaps of the vice etc., - I hope that this attempt goes better - after all the years of using a PC I should know better re doing a save along the way - so I hope not too many errors on the 2nd go around - it is getting late

    Cheers & regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheoak17 View Post
    Thanks again Mark for the follow up and belated thanks for your welcome aboard to this Forum - it will no doubt prove to be a very useful sources of information.

    If my little project takes off I will take up your suggestion of starting a new thread on the matter - but that it somewhat contingent on my mate letting the m/c out of his sight - as mentioned he is still deliberating on that matter - time will tell no doubt.

    You seem to be cluey in the machinery stakes - so just wondering if you might or other Forum members might care to offer an opinion on the function/purpose of the two (2) off little sliding pins located in the moveable jaw part of the a little Eclipse No 235 Toolmakers vice that I picked up off the EBay site a month of so back now - it is somewhat of a vexing matter and I have queried a good number of my engineering colleagues and friends on the matter - but nothing too convincing has yet emerged re their likely purpose or function, The designer of the vice is likely a passed to the other side by this stage

    I have even recently queried the Editor of the UK Model Engineering magazine thinking that the combined wisdom there might be able to suggest something re their purpose - but no go at this stage - an interesting little issue.

    The vice ins a very nice piece/example of Pommy engineering of possibly days gone by now - I don't know what age it would be ?? - but a simply a nice little item and a pleasure to use in the shop for a variety of tasks.

    My own thought on the matter is that the pins might function as a pair of round parallel bars - extracted when the need arises to sit on the base of the vice to lift a job off the bed surface so as not to drill into it - but only my thought.

    Incidentally in the Woodworking vein - the "White" coloured piece of timber that the little vice is sitting on is a piece of WA Hardwood - here in the State we exported many thousands of cubic meters of the famous WA Jarrah hardwood - known also as Swan River Mahogany - (featuring a nice rich red colour when polished) to the UK for sleepers, road paving blocks and timber for industrial floors among other uses ( the Hawker Hangar workshops at Bankstown and the Lidcombe engine workshop thick parquetry Jarrah floors (so the parts could bounce if dropped)., in years gone by now - normally Jarrah goes at about 800 kg/m3 dry density - this timber shown in the photo is a piece of Wandoo or WA White Gum - and this timber tips the scales at about 1000kg/m3 dry density - heavy stuff - just about sinks in water at that density. Also in the Woodworking vein some retirement activity re the attached

    Thanking you again for the follow up advice and have a good trip to Europe - some reading to be done there by the look of things

    I have just had to retype this note again - as the first attempt got lost when the computer locked up while trying to upload the snaps of the vice etc., - I hope that this attempt goes better - after all the years of using a PC I should know better re doing a save along the way - so I hope not too many errors on the 2nd go around - it is getting late

    Cheers & regards
    Bruce

    Have a look here Bruce - http://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...61#post1286761

    Bob the Senior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Have a look here Bruce - http://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...61#post1286761

    Bob the Senior.
    G’day there Bob – you are good bloke for putting me out of my misery and providing an answer for my query on the little Eclipse # 235 vice pin issue - it has been worrying/bugging me since acquiring the items – I see from the correspondence train that you were similarly perplexed – in woodworking parlance – I seem to have nailed the two (2) off pins re their intended purpose in my surmising – hence those four (4) or so months of a commenced Toolmaking apprenticeship did me no harm – along time back now in the very early 70's – it did acquaint me with the concept of parallels & there usefulness – very interested to see an extract of actual Eclipse catalogue page – a nice bit of verification on the matter and I will circulate it around to the various friends and colleagues that I put the matter to - these forums are certainly a very good source of information - in fact after posting the query last night I half kicked myself for not doing a bit more research to see if I could track down the answer on the site – however you kindly saved me the effort there so much obliged – I see that you are no slouch in the forum realm when I look at the number of posts you have made – very impressive total that you have racked up.

    I also see that you are a "Perthite" – North, South, East or West ??????? I am up in the Hills in Kalamunda – have been here for 30 years this year after moving up from the Flats – I tried to drag my wife out a touch further East of Mundaring to a nice piece of acreage there a little while back with and I nice big shed on it that I put up in 2007 – but commonsense possibly reigned that moving to acreage in ones advancing years possibly wasn’t the cleverest move – plus acreage means 10 & 100’s of meters instead of domestic 1 meter increments so at the end of the day we have stayed put for the time being – but my wife has a hankering for the coast eventually – I am not so sure – the trees/bush – providing it is not on fire - take a bit of beating in my mind. As previously mentioned I will look at posting some shots of my mates Schaublin 120VN when I get access – I think from memory that cosmetically it does look slightly in better nick than the Mark’ m/c – internally is still to be assessed – many thanks again the response on the Eclipse T/M vice –
    Incidentally on the subject of vices – before I acquired the little Eclipse vice ex Ebay some few months back I had a another very nice win via another mate in picking up a Hofmann Engineering European Style Engineers Bench Vice - redundant ex a fairly large Perth company that must have had a lot of them – again a nice piece of Engineering – patented off a European Garant Brand Vice after a bit of surfing on the www ( they also come in all sizes –including the watchmaking size – see some shots – I am just waiting on a new set of jaws for it and I will give it a birthday coat of new paint – I have some Brunswick green in the shed so that will have to do – again I have always hankered after one after first seeing the style in John H’s workshop in the early 1980’s – you can’t beat those Dovetails – even when applied outside of Woodwork – again a nice piece of engineering and it will be a pleasure to use – bed calls
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