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    Gentlemen, we have a successful conversion - I'll let Bob tell the story as he also has the photos.
    If only they were all this easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stustoys View Post
    Below the blanking plug in the first picture(you can just see is on the left of the terminal block).

    Why would someone want a single wire running to the star point?

    Stuart
    The star point was the neutral terminal. Bob cut away some of the binding in the location of the fattened brown spaghetti and found where the three yellow spaghetti-ed wires entered the grey neutral. The surgery turned out to be minor. Thanks to Bob's efforts and expertise I now have a motor I can use and I'm sure looking forward to using the No.1.

    Thank you again Bob.

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    No worries Bob.

    If only they were all that easy, minimal dismantling of the binding materials, and found it first go - after your bit of sleuthing on the grey wire with Joe's help.
    Actually we were lucky all 3 wires forming the STAR point were accessible inside the terminal box as there was bugger all room to get three wires back up from the windings into the connection box.

    Bob, you forgot to take home the nylon cord if you wanted to just tie up that one section inside the windings.
    I reckon all you need at that point is a dab of epoxy and it should be fine.

    Don't forget your chainsaw next week.

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    Nice work BobL and BT, good to see the forum network working so well.

    Funny about the star point being already brought out? I can't think of any reason off hand why you would do that, other than, maybe it was a motor wound for 6 wire connection? And they were just saving a few cents on terminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayG View Post
    Nice work BobL and BT, good to see the forum network working so well.

    Funny about the star point being already brought out? I can't think of any reason off hand why you would do that, other than, maybe it was a motor wound for 6 wire connection? And they were just saving a few cents on terminals.

    Ray
    Bob performed the surgery, I pretended to be the nurse.

    When I bought a VFD for the little Hercus mill I searched around and found a replacement Star Delta ASEA for the mill's original flange mount Star wired ASEA motor. The flange mount motor was a factory modified foot mount. They milled the feet off. The replacement was a foot mount and me being anal meant the feet had to go. So after a bit of fiddly milling I had a motor that looked the part. The cast iron flange / motor end cap was interchangeable. I bet the original motor was wired like the grinder's ! I'll have a look.

    I mentioned to Bob that the workhead motor requires conversion. He suggested that a lot of fractional horsepower motors had Star Delta connections. I had a quick look last night. It doesn't even have a terminal block. I'll post some photos.

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    you all beat me to it....


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    I had said to Bob that I would pop the workhead motor apart and photograph its innards. Looking at those red wires disappearing is not real encouraging. I tried to ease the stator out but it's tight, that tight that I don't think it will move.

    The motor is a 1/30 hp 4 pole. Sounds gutless. I though I had a small frame single phase motor that might act as a stand in. Unfortunately the motor is not a TEFC version so it would probably last a couple of minutes if I was lucky after ingesting metal dust.

    The "terminal" box looks particularly dodgy.

    BT

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    That looks pretty well built. The terminal box could be improved a bit - agree
    Having the red connections going down the slots is a good way to secure them, although I suspect the connections are actually at the other end.
    Now show us the other end of the coils. We may be able to help find star point.
    Actually, you may be able to find it like this: the red wires go into the start of each set of the 3 lots of 4 coils (the 4 poles). They are easily visible in this arrangement. Now go the other end of each of the sets and you may be able to see their sleeves crossing over from one set of 4 to another. Assuming they join near one of the sets, there will be two longer sleeves crossing over to the third set (of 4). where they meet is the star point. If you are lucky that is near the unwrapped inner set. If not, you will at least see the sleeve coming from the unwrapped set. Follow that one and check if you can see which one it goes to, then find the one coming from the other wrapped set. Bingo

    When you have got it going on a VFD for testing, let me know if you need a suitably sized small VFD, I may be able to help
    Cheers, Joe
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    Here's a photo of the other end of the motor Joe. Unless I can pull the stator out I can't see where those wires go.

    Bob.

    ps. I'm wondering if I can make a puller and remove the stator??

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    Well they couldn't both be easy Bob.
    Is there a bolt under the foot holding the stator in?

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stustoys View Post
    Well they couldn't both be easy Bob.
    Is there a bolt under the foot holding the stator in?

    Stuart
    I guess I better look !

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    What about a hot air gun on the outside of the motor and then tapping it firmly onto a couple of pieces of wood?

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    Default No Bolt. No Budge

    The red wires just buried themselves. Sadly there was no easy fixing securing the stator and an application of heat and some careful slapping onto a bock of wood achieved nothing. I'm thinking of modifying the bearing puller I knocked up a while back and having a go at pressing the stator out. Not much to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    The red wires just buried themselves. Sadly there was no easy fixing securing the stator and an application of heat and some careful slapping onto a bock of wood achieved nothing. I'm thinking of modifying the bearing puller I knocked up a while back and having a go at pressing the stator out. Not much to lose.

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    In the first instance I'd be trying to pull it from the outside (through the gaps between the motor casing and stator) rather than inside..

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    Before we start pressing things(or pulling).

    Are we 100% sure the star point will be at the far end?

    Stuart

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