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    Default Another Tool And Cutter Grinder

    A Hercus No.1 with every accessory bar a pair of raising blocks and a pair of low centres.

    I had heard about the existence of this particular machine a few years ago when talking to Alan "C-47". He knew Peter the owner and had seen the grinder first hand. There was a very remote possiblity that it may have been for sale but it was something I didn't pursue because I had just spent 600 dollars on what turned out to be the badly worn Hercus No.3.

    Anyway, fast forward to last week. RodM of CNC fame rang me to let me know there was a Mitutoyo optical comparator for sale for not a lot of money on Gumtree. I rang Stuart, he being the possessor of a pair of comparators, for his advice. Stu reckoned that if he lived a touch closer to Perth, it would have already been in his shed. I bought the Mitutoyo on Tuesday. Peter was the seller. That's when I saw the Hercus. It was for sale. I brought it home yesterday. It is a delight. The ways are protected. The ball bearing mounted table traverses with the touch of a finger.

    A few photos. The first photo was taken at the seller's. ( devoid of Donna Hay-ism for Simon, the remainder, fully Donna-ed ).

    Interestingly, my little dividing head fits the workhead mount and the high angle bracket. The workhead has been modified by Peter allowing precise positioning of the spindle, independant of the indexing location.

    Bob.
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    The final photos above show my little T and C vice. I bought the body casting from F W Hercus' eBay site and made up the remainder. Never thought I'd have the grinder it was intended to fit.

    Here is the dividing head, mounted. Down the track I'll have a go at using the internal grinding spindle to remove the half thou runout in the spindle bore, the result of a bit of double handling when I made the thing. The last snapshot is of the tooth rest.

    BT
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    Gotta be the find of the century Bob.
    I can see now how the worn out lump of cast has become redundant.

    Phil

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    Hi Bob,

    I'm Green with Hercus envy.

    Ben.

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    I can see now how the worn out lump of cast has become redundant.
    Yes, when a better presented more vibrant replacement comes along the old model soon pales in comparison. Even faster if its stuffed.

    You need to invest in a light tent to get true "Donna Hay-ism for Simon" Too many shadows detract from the subject matter.

    Very nice grinder. I wish I had one but I cannot see that happening.

    Dean

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    Nice. I know where there's another one of those and I've got right of first refusal when the current owner decides to sell. This one is pretty bare of tooling however.

    Completely agree that they make the earlier model look like a poor child's attempt at a T&C grinder. If I get one my old T&C grinder is out the door ASAP too. Minus tooling though.

    Must give the owner of the one I know about a bit of a prod - I have a bit of equipment that he'd like to own....

    PDW

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    Default Too many shadows!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldneweng View Post
    Yes, when a better presented more vibrant replacement comes along the old model soon pales in comparison. Even faster if its stuffed.

    You need to invest in a light tent to get true "Donna Hay-ism for Simon" Too many shadows detract from the subject matter.

    Very nice grinder. I wish I had one but I cannot see that happening.

    Dean
    Geez Dean, you boys are lucky that you get scratched Masonite as a backdrop!

    I had been looking at a bloke's setup where he used a light tent while photographing a microscope. Superb shadowless illumination. It would be a bit akward in the cramped confines of my shed for big-ish stuff but worth it for taking snapshots of smaller bits of gear.

    I take it you use a tent. I would love to hear more about it. Maybe another thread on photographing workpieces ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anorak Bob View Post
    Geez Dean, you boys are lucky that you get scratched Masonite as a backdrop!

    I had been looking at a bloke's setup where he used a light tent while photographing a microscope. Superb shadowless illumination. It would be a bit akward in the cramped confines of my shed for big-ish stuff but worth it for taking snapshots of smaller bits of gear.

    I take it you use a tent. I would love to hear more about it. Maybe another thread on photographing workpieces ??

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    Scratched masonite? Have you been sneaking into my house? That is what the walls are made from but I don't photograph my machinery in the house.

    I don't have a tent as such but some years ago when I had more time on my hands due to not having a farm or metal working machinery I did a lot of research into photograpy. I stopped reading books after about 30 of them I did not learn a single thing from new books. I wonder how much of the info I have forgotten? I did some experimenting with lighting using reflectors, diffusers and multiple light sources.

    I have 2 Minolta film SLR's with several lenses including a 2x convertor with macro function. A lot of my experimentation was with macro subjects.

    Around the time we moved on to the hobby farm I was not using the cameras very much due to the cost of film and the distance to travel to have it developed. I was sending film away to be processed for a while but that lab when I last checked only dealt with digital processes. It is about 6 - 8 years since I used these camera's now.

    This year I finally bought a DSLR. I have not used it much yet but some of my forum pictures have been taken using it. I need a macro lens/filter. I have a very busy schedule with work and the farm and seemingly increasing health issues but I hope to start getting a lot more use of this camera.

    My shed at the moment gives a background of very old (1950's) corrugated iron and clutter.

    I would be happy to contribute to a thread on photographing workpieces.

    It is true that lighting a machine is a big task. A light tent is not required per se, just suitable cloth draped around the machine to diffuse the lighting. Then lighting is needed. A powerful light can be reflected against a surface such as white melamine to spread the beam. Several such lights spread around. Even a simple light shone against the background surface can improve appearances. My DSLR has a screen that can be rotated to be viewed from the front of the camera. This enables me to look at the effects while I adjust them.

    Don't get me wrong Bob, I still think, like many others that your photos are about the best on this forum.

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    Hi Bob

    Looks like we have the same T+C grinder as well as the same mill .
    Grats on the new acquisition, I reckon they are a fantastic little tool and cutter grinder and a big improvement on the older model. Yours is the only other one I've ever seen so I guess not many were sold before they ceased production.
    I've scanned some pics from the advertising brochure which shows a lot of the setups that were possible with the accessories. If you don't have the manual I can scan that too, but the brochure is probably the more useful, unless you need to strip the machine down down.
    I've also included a scan of a drawing of the bed profile dimensions in case you decide to make some low centres or raising blocks, the drawing was done by the previous owner who was particularly fastidious so I'd say it's accurate.
    The only parts mine seems to be missing is the centre gauge, and one of the spindle extensions, it was missing the detent mechanism for the work head but my mate Des kindly made a new copy of one for me.

    Gary
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    Hello Gary,

    I didn't think I'd be playing Snap with too many others with this latest acquisition!

    Thank you for posting the section and the brochure. I do have a scanned copy of the same brochure but with a slightly different address printed on the back. I'm wondering about the vintage of the No.1. Late seventies?
    There was a tooled up 1 on Ebay five years ago. The seller was chasing about 8 large for it. I saved the photos, never thinking I'd see one let alone own one.

    Whilst I was given an abundance of external wheels, I don't have any internal wheels. Do you and if you do, could you let me know where you found them? Abrasiflex over here sell a small wheel but it has a 4mm bore. The LH screw in the internal spindle is 3/16" .

    Bob.

    ps. Peter, the seller, has a Weiler Matador. In the Multifix toolpost's tool holder was a Diamond Tool, an early version. He reckons it is just superb.

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    Thanks for the pics Bob

    Good to see you have got most of the accessories too.

    I got some little internal wheels for the TPG from a place in the UK called AbTec. Abtec4Abrasives / Sanding / Grinding / Polishing I bought off ebay but they don't seem to have much on ebay at the moment.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ueee View Post
    Thanks for the pics Bob

    Good to see you have got most of the accessories too.

    I got some little internal wheels for the TPG from a place in the UK called AbTec. Abtec4Abrasives / Sanding / Grinding / Polishing I bought off ebay but they don't seem to have much on ebay at the moment.

    Cheers,
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    Thank you Ew,

    I might be in luck - Internal grinding wheels upto 13mm diameter/ Abtec4Abrasives

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    Hi BT,

    Nice score.. I'd think keep that one in the workshop, definitely too good for the kitchen..

    Regards
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    Bob
    Just got back from my caravan trip, in the bush, of 2 weeks & hey, what changes have taken place.
    You were mucking around with $30 air grinders & now bingo, a "you beaut" piece of equipment.
    I would not be able to sleep, if I happened upon something as good as that machine.
    Well done !
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    Hi BT,

    Everything sharp yet?

    Only thing I can add to the date is that they are per 1984 as I'm pretty sure thats when I saw my first one.



    Stuart

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