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    Default Adelaide SA firearms audit

    I hear that SA police are currently doing unannounced spot firearms audits - might be time to check that you don't have the odd round of ammo lying in the bottom of your cabinet, all guns with bolts open magazine removed and only you know where the keys are hidden, cabinet is compliant etc. - it wouldn't be good to have a red face over something so simple to get right.

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    I wonder if that is legal. AFAIK in Qld they have to arrange time.
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    That is nothing new, SA Police have been doing this for 20 years.

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    To be sure,all you need to do is just go to the online weapons regulations for your state.They are not that hard to understand.
    It is all pretty well laid out in our my state of Queensland, so I imagine it would be pretty much the same for the rest of states.
    Keep yourself informed. Not knowing the regulations is not a defence.

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    The two officers doing my audit did not actually say this but from the conversation we had I gathered that they were reconciling their records with what is actually in the hands of owners, they had me down for two rifles that I sold over 20 yrs ago, they returned later in the day with a stat. dec. that I was required to complete and sign stating the dates and circumstances of the sale/s, I got the impression they were there only for compliance checking and record reconciliation and unless you are clearly breaking the law any anomalies would be reported to the firearms branch for followup by them.

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    The two officers would have been from the firearms branch and as you say the entire process is to keep records up to date and ensure compliance with the regulations. I'm surprised you are so miffed
    by this, guessing you have not had your licence for too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by familyguy View Post
    all guns with bolts open magazine removed.
    Is that what the legislation stipulates? guess I've been doing it wrong all this time, oops!

    The registrar really is a joke though, they haven't a clue who owns what firearms and they refuse to tell how much this failure is costing tax payers, last released figures I heard were "somewhere between 10 million and 100 million dollars" lol, if it were any other department it would have been mocked by the media and abandoned years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by familyguy View Post
    all guns with bolts open magazine removed
    That ought to be interesting when they get to me, then. My muzzleloader has no bolt or magazine to remove.

    In an audit a decade or so back they had me down as owning a 303 muzzleloader.

    The clerical help was so poor they transposed one rifle on one line with the calibre of a rifle on another line.

    Computers and online electronic reporting haven't helped then.

    Same deal now, you fill out the permits to acquire and transfer documents and they still bugger the paperwork up even though it is computerised.

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    I have the magazines removed although all my bolt actions are stored with the bolts closed and I have never been taken to task on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by China View Post
    I have the magazines removed although all my bolt actions are stored with the bolts closed and I have never been taken to task on this
    Different states have different regulations.

    In Qld, if it is possible bolts must be removed and stored separately. If it is not possible to easily remove the bolt the action has to have the trigger locked and then then locked in the safe. it is retarded I know, but then that is like most firearm laws.

    Pretty sure the latest NFA it was agreed to change laws so you could only buy ammunition for firearms registered to you. Apparently borrowing a firearm has never happened in the history of the world.
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    I'm not in the least bit annoyed at the audit China, I'm actually pleased it went smoothly, no odd bits of ammo lying around - no need for them to check each weapon for safety. Once the audit started I was not allowed near the cabinet, one of the officers removed each weapon he was then meant to check if it was loaded or not and if so make it safe and then hand it to the other who checked it off the list they had. I just happen to store mine (apart from the pump .22) with bolts removed. The two officers were actually from the Sturt station one of them a rookie barely 6 months in uniform - I've had my license for around 40yrs.

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    The officers may have been from Sturt, how ever they work no behalf of the Firearms branch. RC the regulations covering the the purchase of ammunition only for the Firearms you have registered have been in place nationally since the 1996 knee jerk laws were devised most jurisdictions have not bothered to enforce it.

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    Good thing this thread prompted me to check the Victorian legislation regarding the storage of bolts separately from their actions, I never even considered something so silly would exist.

    This is what I found on the Vic police website.

    "(4) Any bolt or firing pin which is required to be
    stored separately from the firearm it is a part of,
    must be stored in the same manner as is required
    for the storage of a firearm under a longarm
    licence for a category A or B longarm."

    Is it true, am I interpreting this correctly?, in Vic bolts and firing pins need to be stored separately??

    Can I store the bolt with the ammunition?

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    I'm no legal expert but would interpret that as meaning "IF a bolt/firing pin etc needs to be or is removed from a weapon then it also needs to be stored under lock and key in a compliant cabinet". I can't see that is says that they must be removed. The only reason I remove the bolts is that IF I was to be burgled and IF the cabinet was broken in to then any thieves would be less inclined to take a gun with no bolt or magazine as it would be useless to them.

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    For SA. There is no requirement to store bolts and or magazines separately from firearm. Just make sure they dont have ammo in them!
    Even a hand gun can have the magazine stored in the gun.
    It is recommended that guns be secured when travelling. It is ones duty to ensure they dont go missing. If your car is bvroken into and firearm/s are not secured and are stolen you may guilty of an offence.
    (even SAPOL's own advertising says that a hand gun should be stored in the locked glovebox when travelling (( if nowhere else is available))...hahahaha)

    SAPOL have the right to roll up unannounced and do so. Anything related to firearms also give them the right to enter and search etc. Even suspicion of firearms related stuff also give them this right.

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