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    Quote Originally Posted by Retromilling View Post
    Y What is the exact definition of a " Step " . I would say any action verbal or physical whatsoever that knowingly assists the manufacture .
    or letting someone use your lathe/mill or even a screwdriver?..covered by 37. 2. c.....I aint gunna test it...cos I reckon I'd lose as that what and how I read it.

    "your turning my screwdriver the wrong way to undo that trigger .....go the other way"...oops I assisted in a step..what a joke...wonder if it would really stand up in court..lol or would the magistrate laugh his/her head off?

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    The laws are rather stupid. Qld laws were good before 1996.

    How many know that in NSW it is illegal to even own gcode or even a dimensioned diagram of a firearm.
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    The way judges seem to work, I think they'd throw away the key. Now, if you shot someone with said gun, you'd probably get a good behaviour bond and maybe a few hours community service...

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    Technically, under the draconian 1996 laws you're not even allowed to fire a gun, if the sound of a gunshot reaches the ears of somebody who finds it offensive, that is a criminal offense, also, suppressing the sound of a gunshot is a criminal offense.

    They really went to great lengths to stitch us up back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo View Post
    or letting someone use your lathe/mill or even a screwdriver?..covered by 37. 2. c.....I aint gunna test it...cos I reckon I'd lose as that what and how I read it.

    "your turning my screwdriver the wrong way to undo that trigger .....go the other way"...oops I assisted in a step..what a joke...wonder if it would really stand up in court..lol or would the magistrate laugh his/her head off?
    The way I read it is it has to be associated with " manufacture " . It does not say anything about assisting repair as long as no new part is manufactured . Maybe I am wrong and assisting a repair would be covered by not having a gunsmiths licence . Would bedding a stock with acraglass be making a new part ?? No I don't think so as it was not an attached original part in the first place . It's akin to painting a stock . In reality these laws are designed to catch illegal gun makers and their cohorts . I don't think the Police are all that interested in busting someone for helping a mate fit a new trigger he bought legally himself and both are licensed shooters and have registered guns . I can't see the harm and the Police would be wasting precious time that they could spend busting real criminals that make hundreds of guns and sell them to terrorists .
    A lot of the act does not stand up in court because even the Police don't understand the new act and are still thinking the old act and confiscate legal stuff and or lay wrongful charges because they don't know one gun from another or anything about the legal accessories or even the correct storage rules . They purposely wrote the act to be confusing and hard to interpret thinking that gun owners would fall afoul of unfair Police charges and give Police wiggle room and in many cases that is right but in court they get off because the judge sees the law was applied wrongly .
    The badly written act compiled by people who had zero knowledge of the industry and gun ownership and had malicious intentions have made life hard for everyone .
    The act could have been really well written and sensible legislation if John Howard had not had emotional problems with the issue and conferred more with the industry and not only listened to greenie liars .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retromilling View Post
    sell them to terrorists .
    Terrorists using guns is obsolete. They use cars and trucks to kill enmasse. Like this morning, another eight killed by a car in the US in a terrorist attack.

    I probably have a different sort of view on firearms then most. Living in a rather sheltered area they are just tools to me as the biggest crime in this area is someone painted a lathe pink.
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    As a result of this thread and my own desire to construct a black powder firearm from a kit, I have contacted the SA Firearms branch, I am currently waiting for a reply the preliminary answer was if it is a kit it would be considered assembly not manufacture the usual procedure for purchase would apply, I will post the outcome when I receive a definitive reply

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    Your right in certain cases but they would still use guns if on offer . That was your lathe RC ? come on admit it .
    There's a big difference between assembly of a legally purchased gun and making one from scratch .
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    I was contacted by The firearms branch today and the building of a kit is no problem so long as the appropriate paper work is submitted, e,g P.O.A. B709 (import) and of course registraltion.

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