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    Default Cast iron english wheel.

    This is the second casting we have had done by a local iron foundry for a batch of wheeling machines we are making.Had a bit movement in the alignment of the top wheel boss due to radial shrinkage so the foundry is going to try a chill in the next cast.
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    Sorry about the upside down pic the iPad is taking over again. The Morgan is dead so that is ok by me.
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    Very nice, what was the foundry you used?
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    Default Which foundry?

    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    Very nice, what was the foundry you used?
    We used Austral Alloys at Bankstown here in Sydney.
    They use no flasks or boxes.
    The patterns must be boxed on a board with plastic locators.
    ( Adolf's pattern supplies).Barnes has them in Oz.
    They use a chem set sand.
    Cleanest and most organised foundry I have ever seen.
    We nearly have the first one up and wheeling,I will post a pic when it's done.
    H.
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    Default E Wheel Goodness

    That frame is a thing of beauty, is it a stub axle type machine Bruce

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    Default Update on Ewheel.

    Yes I guess it could be described as a stub axle machine.
    Here are a few pics of the finished product.P1050132.JPGP1050131.JPGP1050133.JPGP1050134.JPGI used one of the table adjusting handwheels off my Barker jointer as a pattern to cast this.
    Will now have to mod 2 more and make an odd side as there is interest in a few Ewheels from restorers.
    The auto body resto game has gone thru a revival a bit like woodworking.
    Not so many experts yet but give them time.
    H.
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    Very nice job. Would you happen to have pictures of the patterns you used? It would be good to see the various stages of the build.

    Christian

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    Default Patternmaking in progress pics.

    Hi Christian,
    Here are a few pics of some marking out mid build up. Note the pencil superglued to the height gauge.
    This was done at work on their Barker jointer using the fence as an angle block.
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    The next is with the webs glued in and bogging the fillets happening.
    The tank and seat were made by the guy I'm doing this with.
    We're off to the foundry next Tuesday so I'll get some pics of the completed boxed patterns.
    H.
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    Hello H,

    Thanks for posting those. It looks like a nice nice workshop to have access to. I did like the superglued pencil.

    How did you form the curved webs? Laminate them, bend them or turn them up on the lathe?

    BTW I don't know if you've seen the "Metal Church" videos on youtube:
    METAL-CHURCH -2 - YouTube

    Some more machines for you to make )

    Christian

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    Great project. For the pattern how did you go about making the flanged edges?
    Are you going to make a holder for the various radii roller profiles?


    Have you tested the prototype for flex yet? Even the big old antique cast iron english wheels are known to have issues at times with flex.
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    I was thinking about your project and I was wondering once you remove the cores how did you do the bores? Are they machined out or did you just bolt in some sleeves?
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    What sort of dimensions does it have?
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    Christian et al,
    The pattern is machined up bits of jelly (Jelutong) on half inch ply.
    The curves are just cut from the solid with the grain as long as possible.
    The bosses and prints are split turnings in jelly.
    The fillets are in bog (car filler) this is the worst part of the job.
    I cut templates from sheet metal or plastic but there's till hours of sanding.
    That video is interesting. I was in the workshop of an warbird museum in LA recently and they had a Yoder! Makes the Eckold look like a toy.

    I'm only the patternmaker that is the machinist problem!
    The other bod involved in this did it on a big mill but it was a struggle to fit.
    He kept muttering about a horizontal borer?

    I think everything will flex if you wind up enough pressure on the wheels.
    They have a few old Heine's at TAFE also seen a few AP Levers here in Sydney.
    They seem to have survived ok.

    H.
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    Check out Peach & Tommasini, I have been to Tommasini's work shop and he has some monster English wheels. Peach is now retired.
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    They made a one piece Holden Quarter panel from hand. The Yanks still can't believe it can be done in one piece, good old Aussies!
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    [QUOTE=DSEL74;1674157]Check out Peach & Tommasini, I have been to Tommasini's work shop and he has some monster English wheels. Peach is now retired.

    Check back in his workshop later in the year you never know what you'll find.
    H.
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    Default English wheel

    Beautiful job on the wheeling machine! Are they available?
    Thanks for the pictures and posting.

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    Default Availability of Ewheels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow206 View Post
    Beautiful job on the wheeling machine! Are they available?
    Thanks for the pictures and posting.
    G'day sideshow,
    Which part of Northern North America are you from?
    My wife is from Red Deer Alberta.
    Hope to be there next year for an extended stay and maybe get a motorhome to do some touring around.
    I made the patterns for a mate in a barter deal.
    He has a few orders.
    Calls himself motoRRetro.
    You should be able to find something on the net.
    The casting weighs about 80kg so a complete package must be pushing 100.
    Bit heavy for the hand luggage I'm afraid.
    H.
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