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    I am usually too lazy to stick a wedge in a log. I just found one I had hacked out of a bit of oak. Now that I have a band saw I will make some more and make them a bit better. I watch the level of the saw, the position of the tip and the width of the cut at the top. When the cut starts to close I pull the saw out horizontally. I was talking about cutting up a fairly big Manna gum in a recent thread. I managed to jam the saw while doing that. It annoyed me no end. I had to find a wedge and something to belt it with. It is very rare for me to jam the saw, but I had lost concentration on that occasion. If I have a bridged log I can often stick a block under it and keep cutting and pulling out the saw until the log sits on the block.

    Water logged ground is a pain for fencing I never worked in a place with water logged ground generally speaking
    I generally wait until the ground has firmed a bit before fencing. Our paddocks generally can't be driven in over winter. Depends on how much rain we have had. Still ok at the moment, but would normally be water logged by now. It is much easier to drive in posts when the ground is damp all the way thru.

    7 inch is quite small but I could be wrong maybe the support was too low on the post .
    Yes it was a bit small and I am not sure how deep it had been driven. The guy who did the fencing after our property was subdivided was a little slack. A neighbour stopped to talked to him when he was working on it and said "don't stop, keep working, don't let me hold you up". He wouldn't keep driving posts with him there tho. That neighbour is a retired fencing contractor himself. He taught me everything I know and he does not cut corners. The posts were not all driven full depth. Some were cut off. That was not the only one of his posts I had trouble with.

    If the angled galv stays have more tension on the top wires such as when cows are stretching the bottom wires, they form a post lifting mechanism. Physics. I picked it the first time I saw one and decided straight away I was not interested. I use a very similar arrangement to pull posts out of the ground. I have pulled a 600mm Redgum post that was considerably tapered out towards the bottom and about 3 ft in the ground, using this method. It had been there for decades. I have actually repurposed the galv stay on a fence, but only a 45 deg stay at a 90 deg corner which also had box stay sets on each fence line. A box strainer set has the cross bar at the very top and so there is no way for the fence tension to lift the post. They are cheaper too.

    Low fence spots can cause post lifting too, but I have no worries with that. I have watched a video of a Kiwi putting up a fence. He was doing all sorts of stuff to keep posts from lifting. Lots of rocks too. The fence went all over the shop. Glad it was him, not me.

    Still have my two sets of fencing pliers the older types no one uses much anymore .
    What sort? My father has a pair from when we lived on a vineyard which had a hole thru the jaws for binding the wire. Half a hole in each jaw. I was hoping to get them when his stuff was given out to us siblings, but I don't know what happened to them. They fitted No. 8 wire anyway. May not have been much good for hard wire. The Kiwi had a good way to bind the wire on. I tend to use it. He leaves about 30cm or more tail which is bent into a crank. The crank is used to bend the wire around and then move it to one side of the wire and crank it like starting a motor. The wire just snaps off easy as pie right in close. Teaching my grandmother to suck egges am I?

    Wire strainers are a problem. The only ones I can get are Hayes. They are pretty useless. When I bought mine the manager of the store said a lot of fencing contractors buy them in bulk they are so good. He wondered whether they were losing them. No, they are tossing them out. The jaws wear a groove and they don't grip.

    I just looked back to see where you are I am surprised it is so wet out your way
    The country I am in is the same as the SE of SA, just over the border. I am only 7km away. It is flat and there is nowhere for the water to run off except swamps. There are very few rivers (none) or creeks around.

    Cows don't intentionally pee anywhere really
    I know. We only have a few.

    We used to laugh when tourists would pull up right beside a cattle truck in town
    Yes that can be a trap for young players.

    Station dogs pee on fence posts then that attracts wild dogs to pee on the same post
    I don't think there are any around this area. Too many shooters I'd say. Farmers I mean. What about a big cat? The same neighbour I mentioned showed me a set of casts he did of cat tracks the size of my palm. He has been aware of them for many years. He says they are only around at a certain time of the year. He described the sound they make and I reckon I heard it one day. Sounds like a rabbit squeeling, but much louder.

    Drilling an older CCA post will cause it to rot out faster. The modern pressure treatment method is an improvement so I am told.

    There might be a bit of a holdup with getting the splitter finished. I was going to get some paint today and put a bit on, but a couple of things went wrong and required my attention and I didn't get there. We are forcast for rain for the next 7 days. I really need to have it out in the open so I can tip it over with my lifting trailer to do underneath first. I will have to see what happens. I can do the top section in the implement shed, but that has already had one coat. I went over the bottom of it with my new pressure cleaner today. Put some truck wash thru it to remove oil. I still need to use the angle grinder wire brush on the welds where I can reach. Some of the welds are really bright and shiny. I am wondering whether I used stainless rods on them.

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    I have had a few bar jams over the years most from logs closing up and not noticing but I am like you I don't pull the bar up just straight out . I use wedge most of the time now it's a kind of habit . Even professional tree loppers get bars stuck. I had to lend a wedge and small sledge to some tree loppers next door they were stuck real good . I was watching them and I could see it was going to happen . Putting block or branch under a high sitting log is good form . The less they move after the cut the better . Wet ground would help driving in posts and pickets but make a mess drilling strainer post holes and if it's too wet the posts fall over and move about later even pop out . I expect that farmer in NZ has big trouble as NZ is real wet . My fencing pliers sound the same type as your fathers . I'm sure it's a number 8 gauge hole in the nose and has cutters both sides . They are quite long about 14 inches so they have quite a bit of leverage . Cutting hard large wire I am not sure as we never used any that I can remember but they will cut soft no 8 and HT barbed wire . I can't remember the names of the wire ties I was taught , used a figure 8 to join lengths but around strainers it was a kind of double wrap and down around the wire back up and behind the v and then along and around and around along the wire a few times and cut it off , Got no idea now what they called it but once I get near a fence it all comes back . There is so many new ways to fence now and new products even chain type wire strainers are a dying thing now they just add those little ratchet strainers on each wire . My knowledge is dated now but once I see how a farmer sets up his fences I can do the same to repair it .
    Tell youa funny story abut a property at Mungindi QLD . The farmer had most of his gates wired up it was areal pain trying to drive around spotlighting and such having to unwire and rewire many gates my hands were getting so sore after a week . In frustration I went down to see the farmer Nevel a really nice bloke and I said if I go into town and buy some gate chains can I install them on some of the gates . He said yes that's fine but I have some , some place well he hunted around for a while but no luck . Then as I was looking around the shed I noticed the end of a gate chain lock the end plate that drops over the screw in part . Well I pulled out a whole new chain out of the dirt and another and another until I had 8 sets of chains and the screw in spikes . Apparently a flood had gone through and the silt had covered the chains completely . He said see I told you I had some . So then he starts telling me which gates he wants them on well I said wait up mate those gates are no use to me I want them on the gates that I use the most . So he says well they are my gates and chains , and I say well I could drop them again and they can wait for the next flood ! He laughs and says do what ever you want but make sure you put one on your big mouth . So I say I would have to get a bigger chain . Then he says you know what the name Nevel means ? I say no . He says it's Scottish and it means ," beat with your fists " I think for a while and then say but I got eight chains here so do your best . He laughs and says go do something useful . I say nothing as I know when to shut up.
    I don't believe for one minute about panthers or giant cats because a large predator like that would leave a trail of dead cows and sheep .
    Tracking is or was a speciality of mine and what can happen is a print can be made larger by light rain filling the track and soaking in and filling again and it kind of washes the track larger than it originally was . Also some people make up bodgy print boards to fake large prints . Probably to attract tourist money . I will be very surprised If we ever see one shot . For sightings to happen over so many years now there would have to be a breeding pride of many or they would die out .
    I don't believe the newer CCA treatment is better than it used to be . I think it's more environmentally friendly which equates to less effective chemicals than before . I have 25 years old treated posts and sleepers that are still fine and some of the newer stuff only about 10 years old is rotting and I have not had any pig dogs for about 12 years now . Maybe the stuff we get in the city is crap that would not surprise me.
    A good thing for preparing steel surfaces for painting is once it's hit well with angle grinder apply some rust converter solution let it work then wash it off with the pressure cleaner , dry it and paint straight away . That stops a lot of rust starting under the new paint .
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    Wet ground would help driving in posts and pickets but make a mess drilling strainer post holes and if it's too wet the posts fall over and move about later even pop out .
    That is why I let the ground dry out a bit. There is a hard gravelly clay layer about 2 ft down. The holes drilled for strainers are only 100mm diam for an 8-10" strainer. Believe me, they don't move if driven right in. Other posts are a different matter tho. I got hold of a few black poly spreaders (called droppers here for some reason) which I thought would be useful along a section that is under water for part of the year in a swamp. Useless things they are. They make bananas look straight after a bit of time in the sun. I think most people alternate the direction they face. I didn't know that then. I still think they are useless. Bendy fences. Vineyards are using solid round black poly posts a bit now. I have no idea how they work out. Its pretty recent.

    Cutting hard large wire I am not sure as we never used any that I can remember but they will cut soft no 8 and HT barbed wire .
    The hard wire is only the 2.8mm, not large. My big pliers won't cut the hard wire very well. They are still tight years later. The wire deformed the cutting edges where you can't get to them. I bought a little set of Bahco cutters not long ago. Yeah, the pliers sound the same. Sounds like you wrap strainers the same as me except I only go once around the post. I suppose those ratchet thingy's allow you to retension easily. Expensive tho. I made up something similar. My father used the cast drum type things that are turned by a pair of rods to wind up the wire and tension it then held in position by a short bit of rod on the block. I wanted something like that, but I didn't want to drill holes in the posts so I made up a sort of cross between the 2. They connected back to the post with a wire tail, but were wound up with 2 rods and locked with a short one. I welded them up from 3/4" galv pipe and 6mm rod. I wanted them to tension a few short lengths of fence that I had put up. Nothing else would work. These seem to have done it.

    I enjoyed your story. It is good to know when to quit.

    American servicemen kept large cats as mascots/pets during WW2. Panthers etc. Mount Gambier airfield (airforce, not commercial) was one place this occurred. They let them go when they were transferred out. These casts were fresh. You just had to see those claws. They were as clear as day. They were genuine. This guy is as straight as a die. He took a few sets of casts. His daughter was sending a set to a place that keeps records. A Uni I think. He also has spoken about these cats for many years and has found dead sheep. He found a full grown ewe that had been torn apart. Part of the rib cage had been torn off. It had just happened. He checks his stock every day. There are huge amounts of food for them without coming out in the open. Roos, deer etc. The dead sheep was right near the back of his property which is connected via plantations, bush, and parks to massive areas South and East. The nearest town to the South is 25km away and you could get there without coming out into the open except for tracks and firebreaks. The tracks were along a sandy track, I think just over his back fence along the edge of a pine plantation. He also measured and recorded the stride length. I recall him saying one was 13 ft. There were different length strides as tho the cat was running at one stage. They were longer. As regards having one shot, that would be pretty difficult. You would never get near them. I spoke with my neighbour about this. He has a Sako .222 and he said he would not even contemplate it without something much bigger. In fact he said that there wouldn't be anything big enough available that he knew about. I explained about WSM and WSSM rifles and some other big stuff around.

    I don't believe the newer CCA treatment is better than it used to be . I think it's more environmentally friendly which equates to less effective chemicals than before .
    You may be right. I don't know. All I know is that treating under pressure is meant to force the treatment deeper into the wood. It probably just makes them more brittle than they already are.

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    I think the reasoning behind the double wrap around a strainer post is so it can't slip down easy . Stock pushing on the wire while rubbing etc. can slip the wire down the post . Some put staples around instead to stop that and I have seen both done staples and double wrap . I think I have been shown a few different ways to do things on different properties but I can't remember them all and I could get some mixed up now , it's been a long time . I think I remember correctly but sometimes I don't .
    I have heard them called spreaders and droppers , have no clue which is right , both probably . I've seen galvanised ones and stainless but mainly galvanised . Aluminium bar would last longer than plastic although black polly pipe plastic seems to last in the sun ok . You could make your own with a drill press. I remember those barrel type strainers we used two large screw drivers with the ends ground off to tighten them . They are not that easy to use and the newer ratchet strainers are easier to tighten. A guy with your engineering skills could make up something better and cheaper than that .

    Wild pigs can rip a sheep carcass apart no problem . It is interesting how many people believe in large cats roaming wild but they never seem to get a decent photo and no one ever shoots one. I have trouble buying it .
    I also would not like to face a big cat coming at me with a 222 Rem . Ok from a vehicle under the spotlight if you hit him in the head . On foot I would want my 308 or 30-06 . I guess it is something that excites people and gives them an interest to follow and if that's what makes them happy then who am I to put a damper on that . For the cats to still be there a male and female would need to breed . So two cats need to escape from some place and find each other to breed . It's possible but unlikely .
    Someone will probably shoot one next week and prove me wrong .
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    Everyone has their own way to do things and their own name for things. Thats what makes the world go around. I have only recently heard the term spreaders and I think this is more descriptive. The black poly ones I have are not symetrical so they bend when they heat up. They have 2 ridges with slots in them to hold the wire on one face. They are also pretty thin walled. Much thinner than poly pipe. Virtually all spreaders around here are hardwood. There was a guy 20km north who had a mill to make them, but he has retired now and closed down.

    No wild pigs in this area. It is like many myths I suppose, but I have seen almost perfect casts of all 4 feet made by a guy who is about 70 yrs old, still has a sharp brain and is as far from someone who would pull a swifty as you could get. I have huge respect for him. Apparently there were quite a few cats released. Big cats are very secretive by nature.

    I have seen a photo in a shooting mag of a cat hanging in a tree out bush. There was an off road motor bike also in the picture for comparison. The cat was pitch black and 6ft from tip to tip. The tail was brought back and a DNA check was done. This indicated that it was a domestic cat. There are pictures out there, but this introduces the question of whether they are genuine. I was sitting on the fence until I saw the casts.

    I got some paint and rust converter today. I got to do some of the frame with the wire brush before it started raining again. We had very little rain, just enough to be annoying. It was warm and sunny in town, until we started heading home. Mount Gambier was not living up to its reputation.

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    Yeah different names for things can be confusing , like in NSW a "Ringer " is a gun shearer ( the top shearer in the shed ) and has been since , click go the shears , " the Ringer looks around and is beaten by a blow ", but in Places in Qld and NT a ringer is a casual station hand hired for just the season . Beats me.
    No pigs in your area . I got another story about that . One time went to Dirranbandi in Qld . with my mates stepfather . We got shown around the place in an old willies 4x4 . The manager said , " there is no pigs around here much so just take a 22 as you might see a fox . We look at each other very dejected but pile into the ute back with just a single 22 . Mind you I have a Parker Hale .243 with Kahles scope back in camp. I though I will go along don't want to upset the manager . So off we go and low and behold we spot a huge mob of pigs , well there is four guys in the back all fighting over the 22 . I eventually yelled out , " It's my f**ing 22 Brno so I'm gunner shoot needless to say by that time they had dropped out of sight into cover . After we got out on our own there was quite a few pigs around .
    Pigs move around a lot and big solitary boars can travel long distances to get a feed . They can smell a decaying carcass upto 15 kilometres away when the wind is right .

    I bet the picture of the cat hanging in the tree was in front of the bike. It's an old photography trick , you can't tell easily how far something is behind the thing in the foreground so it makes the foreground subject look much bigger . It's a favourite technique of the game trophy hunter . With digital editing now clever people can fake any photo they want .
    However I have seen one photo of a cat walking along very close to a fence and knowing the height of a stock fence it seemed way bigger than a normal feral cat . Try as I may I could not pick any indicators that the photo was a fake . I lost the photo in a computer crash some years back and can't find it on the net but it was very hard to explain away .
    If it was a fake it was done by a professional .
    Don't think I have ever been to Mt. Gambier been close on trips to Adelaide .
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    Pigs move around a lot and big solitary boars can travel long distances to get a feed . They can smell a decaying carcass upto 15 kilometres away when the wind is right .
    Jump fences too can they? Do they bring down live full grown sheep?

    It's an old photography trick , you can't tell easily how far something is behind the thing in the foreground so it makes the foreground subject look much bigger .
    Correct, but I was working on the fact that he brought the tail back with him, it was published in a respected shooting magazine and the tail was offered for a DNA test. It may have been a fake, but who knows. I have also heard a few big feral cat stories.

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    No they don't tend to jump them they just push easily under the fence . A pigs muscles that pull there head up are very powerful and wire strain is nothing and barb wire does not stop them either . Normal stock fence is no barrier to wild pigs . That is why in Western NSW they use a lot of suspension fencing because the pigs , goats and roos can just slip under and not destroy the fence .
    A larger pig with tusks is quite capable of killing a full grown sheep especially after shearing . They run along beside and rip the tusk into it's side . Pigs are also smart and will ambush prey . Most people think they are just scavengers but the bigger ones are killers also.
    Like not many people believe that fox's can bring down smaller roos but they can I have seen it with my own eyes . Two foxes chasing a small roo and brought it down working together . Animals are a lot more capable than we think and if hungry enough can do extra ordinary things.
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    White men can't jump but feral pigs can 1378507843188-hog.jpg
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    Ha ha. I like that one. Maybe he thinks he's a goat. It looks to me as though there was some incentive for the escape. His days may have been numbered.

    I have been getting some painting done in between showers. Yesterday I finished the first coat except for a few spots. One that needs a bit of welding done still and the front half of the drawbar and jockey stand was rolling around on the ground as I tilted the splitter from side to side to get at the harder bits. I have also started painting the lifting trailer as well, but only when I have time. It has never had a paint job except for some welds have had galv spray and part of the frame was already painted a lovely bright yellow. The problem with this is I don't have another lifting trailer to tilt it to get at the underside. I plan on painting the top section of both in bright red (not light red) to make them more visible against the green background so I can find them.

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    That's good the paint job should make it last much longer . Loosing things in the bush is very common and I have found by accident a motor bike that was lost for many years in the scrub . I also have a funny story about loosing stuff . My first 4x4 was a leaf green short wheelbase Land Cruiser . Well one time I stupidly parked it in thick bush and went off after some pigs with my dogs . After some time I realised I was a bit lost and try as I may I could not find the bloody truck it was well hidden this was all pre GPS and the green colour matched in with the bush nicely . In the end I had to follow my own tracks back to a track I crossed and then follow that track to try and find the road I came in on so I could see my own wheel marks and follow them through the bush to the vehicle . Eventually after many hours I found it . They say geniuses choose green but in this case it was idiots choose green .
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    I have seen a few people use a chainsaw to put in a fence post. It is fair enough if the rocks are really bad, but they have to be really bad to stop a decent crowbar operator.

    Also I have a pet hate against people who when doing normal barb wire fences, they put a knot in the tail that goes around the strainer post. So if you need to undo the fence in a hurry, you cannot.
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    Ha Ha losing stuff? SA Forestry did a stocktake of equipment many years ago. They found they were short on 4000 sets of oxy acelylene cylinders. It is obvious where a lot of them went, but they must have been ditching them when empty and getting another full set. Quite a few quad bikes have mysteriously gone missing too.

    I did get a new set of 35mm2 leads on a welder I bought second hand, from a guy who worked for them.

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    How do you put in a fence post with a chainsaw?

    they have to be really bad to stop a decent crowbar operator.
    Well there's me out of the race then. I am glad driving posts is the go here.

    they put a knot in the tail that goes around the strainer post.
    So the barbed wire goes around the strainer then is wrapped back on itself?

    I usually wrap a hard wire around the strainer and secure it, then wrap it back on itself at the free end and then wonder why I did that when I haven't put the barb thru yet, swear a bit, tear out a bit of hair, try to put the barb thru the loop then give up and repeat this whole process all over again.

    I don't wrap the barb around the post. The hard wire is secured to the post like Retromilling described earlier in the thread.

    First coat on the hydraulic tank / motor mount today. I sort of forgot about it because it was hidden under a cover. I am working on another couple of projects when it is raining which I will put in the latest projects thread when finished. Both of them involve working with wood.

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    4000 oxy sets ! christ someone was slack .
    Don't think I am digging a hole with a $600 chainsaw , That is what post hole diggers are for , hole shovels and crow bars but It would not surprise me . Saw chains are too expensive for that .
    That's the right way to put barbed wire on you don't want it wrapped around the post , dangerous and a waste of expensive wire and it encourages cows to scratch on the post and push it over in time .
    I liked working with wood and I did my time as a wood machinist and Billiard / Snooker fitter , table maker for B&B , Imperial and Heiron & Smith but fine wood dust gave me terrible sinus problems and in the end I gave it away . I did repair snooker and pool tables on the side for many years for B&B and Charltons . It's a dying industry now due to cheap rubbish imports and lack of space in homes . People want media rooms , computer rooms and cinemas in their homes now not a snooker table . I can still build a beautiful table if I want but I don't have the woodwork machinery anymore but still have my repair and service tools . I'm a metal head now , less dust . I had photos of many that I built but we lost all our personal stuff in a flood in the bush even our wedding photos . Found just a couple of photos clinging to fences down the river .
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    That's the right way to put barbed wire on you don't want it wrapped around the post , dangerous and a waste of expensive wire and it encourages cows to scratch on the post and push it over in time .
    Not to mention getting hooked up yourself if there is a gate there you are trying open.

    It's a dying industry now due to cheap rubbish imports and lack of space in homes .
    People are building huge houses and yet they have no room. My step son has plastered many home theatre rooms in big houses. He was contracting with a company that mostly did the high end houses. He has seen some huge rooms and many of them are put underground so the noise does not get them in trouble. I am lucky. My neighbours are far enough away they can't hear my music. I have a pretty expensive and nice sounding home theatre system.

    Nearly a full coat on the whole lot today. Just a bit left to do. You know, those bits that take the most time. Looks rough from close up as I have slathered it on, but it is only a wood splitter. I actually spray painted it after I first built it. I have some decent weather then tho.

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