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14th Dec 2016, 08:45 AM #1Mechanical Butcher
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Brazing here?
Is this a good place to ask questions about brazing with oxy-acet?
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14th Dec 2016, 05:03 PM #2Most Valued Member
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Brazing is a form of welding, so what would you like to know???
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14th Dec 2016, 09:46 PM #3Mechanical Butcher
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I thought it were more like soldering, as the base metal doesn't melt.
Anyway, the question I have, as a full time amateur at this, is how to get a better result when butt brazing steel pipes?
The pipes are to carry water under slight pressure - it's part of the cooling system in a bus.
I can't reliably make it water proof. Under a simple test using tap water pressure, holes that are not obvious or even visible reveal their presence with tiny jets of water coming out of them. Remelting the braze doesn't seem to help.
I'm using some brazing rods of unknown alloy, a light yellow colour. Also, tobin bronze just to try it because it's here. Flux is "copper & bronze" type.
Any advice, folks?
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14th Dec 2016, 10:58 PM #4Most Valued Member
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A light yellow colour, sounds like Silver Solder which requires a different flux, I think from memory is a Borasic Acid based paste.
Unfortunately without knowing exactly what rods you're using, can make re soldering an issue. Silver solder should flow over the top sealing it.
Personally, for plumbing on a cooling system I'd prefer to use Copper tube and Silver Solder the joints.
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15th Dec 2016, 08:33 AM #5Mechanical Butcher
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Thanks Kryn,
It's more yellow than silver solder.
Copper tube would be good, but a lot of work has gone into bending steel tubing and will stay with that.
Next thing to try is a different type of filler rod - but which one?
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15th Dec 2016, 09:27 AM #6
Pictures are worth a thousand words !
Is it possible that you are getting the work piece too hot?
holes that are not obvious or even visible reveal their presence with tiny jets of water coming out of them
The brazed or soldered joint should have a smooth or glass surface finish across the joint.
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15th Dec 2016, 09:56 AM #7Mechanical Butcher
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Thanks Droog,
That could be the problem, will try less heat.
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15th Dec 2016, 12:49 PM #8Most Valued Member
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When I go to braze, I put the tip of the rod into the flame to melt off a small piece, remove the rod and when the piece starts to flow, I know I'm at a correct temp. This may or not be the correct way but it works for me. Are you using galv pipe/tube as that can cause a problem also?
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15th Dec 2016, 01:23 PM #9Mechanical Butcher
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It's not galvanised.
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15th Dec 2016, 05:27 PM #10China
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Are you dead set on using plain steel? sounds like recipe for disaster to me
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Plain steel tube is commonly found in the cooling systems of engines and presents few issues provided cooling system corrosion inhibitor is used.
Butt brazing steel tubing however could be an issue when vibration and flex in engine mounts is taken into account.
Typically, brazed joints itilise some form of mechanical joint such as a sleeve joint or flared joint. While vee butt joints are used, they generally are found in sections of increased thickness.
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15th Dec 2016, 10:14 PM #12Mechanical Butcher
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I agree, butt joining isn't ideal.
However, that's the way the owner has organised it.
The joints have been initially tack welded, which would hopefully provide more strength, then brazed.
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15th Dec 2016, 10:41 PM #13Most Valued Member
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Many years ago I used this -
Comweld Comcoat C – 2.4 / 3.2 mm – Cigweld
Was good for butt joining RHS.
There is also a similar product with a pink coating, that IIRC was good for building up worn shafts and may be an option, but you need to do some research on that, as I have forgotten.Nev.
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16th Dec 2016, 06:17 AM #14Mechanical Butcher
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Thanks Nev,
The owner has bought some manganese bronze rods, and some flux paste.
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24th Dec 2016, 02:52 PM #15
Seriously ..... but brazing any form of water pipe is just not going to happen ...... serioulsy don't do it end story.
You need to get some sort of sleeve or flange joint .... minimum
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