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    Default 4 in 1 tig welders

    Hi, I'm interested in the so called '4 in 1' ac/dc tig mma welder with plasma cutter for the home workshop.

    I'm considering the Alusync from Tokentools TIG Welder & Plasma Cutter - AC DC ARC HF Pulse 4 in 1 - eBay, Welders, Welding, Industrial. (end time 02-Mar-10 22:05:46 AEDST)

    or the Riland version which seems to have almost identical features Welders Direct • RILAND 200AMP 4 IN 1 AC/DC TIG WITH 40AMP PLASMA CUTTER • AC/DC ALUMINIUM TIG WELDERS

    does anyone have experience with these companies or models?

    thanks

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    I have a token welder. Have been very happy with it. have posted on this forum a number of times about it, including some examples of some aluminium welds produced by the machine. have a look at my previous posts to find the threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19brendan81 View Post
    I have a token welder. Have been very happy with it. have posted on this forum a number of times about it, including some examples of some aluminium welds produced by the machine. have a look at my previous posts to find the threads.
    Hi Brendan, I've seen you posts - very informative thanks. I notice you steered away from the in-built plasma cutter. I wasn't initially considering one, but then through "why not?". It seems to me if it's all the same circuitry then it's a waste not to squeeze a few more features out of the machine. So I would be interested on anyone's comments in this regard.

    Regarding tokentools, it seems the auction ebay sales are about half buy it now value. The difference being 3 yr warranty vs "arrives fit for purpose" warranty. Seems like a lot to pay for warranty since this brand seems to get a pretty good wrap?

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    Hey Mick,

    When I was looking the only 4 in one machine was a super cheap unit. I cant remember the brand exactly, but it was missing some of the features that the Token had. Also, 6 months before I bought there were a number of 4 in 1 units available. The fact that they had all dropped off ebay made me nervous. However they seem to be back on there again, and given that Token have one id be willing to have a crack at a 4 in 1 now if I had to buy again.

    Re cost - My experience with electronics has been that when they break they break quickly. Thus, i figured if my unit was a lemon id know well within the 12 month warranty that the ebay machines come with. Thus I went with an ebay machine and have been very happy with the purchase.

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    An update on this topic - I nabbed one of the tokentools 4 in 1's (Alusync 200) a week or so back on ebay auction. Can't fault the service from these guys. The machine itself has been nice to weld with in MMA mode, even down at 35amps. Got my argon today and laid my first EVER tig beads in mild steel and also aluminium. I love it. Can't wait until I actually get good at it. Haven't got compressor so can't comment on the plasma yet. I know there's a few people out there interested in these machines so I'll try and post a more thorough review soon. - Mick

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    Good to hear Mick. I have mentioned before how much I love TIG welding. There is something incredibly satisfying about it.

    What sort of tungstens did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19brendan81 View Post
    Good to hear Mick. I have mentioned before how much I love TIG welding. There is something incredibly satisfying about it.

    What sort of tungstens did you go with?
    Yeah, theraputic almost hypnotic... until wham! tungten's in the ally and there's soot everywhere!

    I got some 2.4mm Au-Lanthanated ones. I think they're 1.5% Lanthinum. Gold tip. Just some that bob the welder had on his shelf. I figured it wouldn't matter much what I got for the first batch. How do you tell good from bad anyway?

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    ha ha. yeah, that does suck.

    Re tips. There is a heap of information out there re the various colours and what they are all supposed to o. I use 2% thoriated for all my mild steel work and 1% zirconiated for aluminium. Out of interest I ran a bead on aluminum with each of my different electrodes and there was no difference in them at all, in fact if anything the tungsten bead was better.

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    Yes there is a difference with the tig electrodes and for what you are doing it would not really matter. The zirconated and thoriated are generally best suited for transformer based machines and the lathanated and ceriated are best suited for inverter base machines. The last 2 are from the rare earth varity and have zero radioactive material in them and therfore safer to use when grinding them to a point which brings me to another ''point''. These electrodes can be ground to a sharp point and will usually hold that shape which makes for nice welds in corner sections and general welding. The other benifit with these electodes is you can use them for tig welding both steel and aluminium. So one electrode to weld all materials.

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    I've used my 1.5% lanthanated ones on mild steel and aluminium. They hold a nice sharp tip with the DCEN for ages (usually its operator error requiring resharpening). These same electrodes also maintained a nice 'ball' with AC as I gather is the go. Which brings me to another question - but I'll start a new thread for that one.

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